tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8933647311941754950.post7829477599408981387..comments2024-03-22T06:05:50.094-07:00Comments on Je Lay Emprins: Mounted Crossbowmen - some observationspaintermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07649916816073878873noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8933647311941754950.post-49107054838115829652021-10-05T20:40:31.709-07:002021-10-05T20:40:31.709-07:00Great bồn nước nhựa tân áGreat <a href="https://shoptanadaithanh.vn/bon-nuoc-nhua-tan-a/" rel="nofollow">bồn nước nhựa tân á</a>Hiền Tranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14641933565031730978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8933647311941754950.post-84231386837107978812021-10-05T20:38:30.507-07:002021-10-05T20:38:30.507-07:00Well bồn nước inox lắp ghép đại thànhWell <a href="https://shoptanadaithanh.vn/bon-nuoc-lap-ghep/" rel="nofollow">bồn nước inox lắp ghép đại thành</a>Hiền Tranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14641933565031730978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8933647311941754950.post-4742147293780288802013-09-18T08:56:35.184-07:002013-09-18T08:56:35.184-07:00There's no image showing someone armed with la...There's no image showing someone armed with lance and crossbow. It's common to see mounted archers with an additional lance, but not mounted crossbowmen.<br />There are a number of modes for shooting from horseback. One is swarming at high speed, carried out by lightly armoured horse archers, who often had several horses as replacements. Heavily armoured units did advance at slow speed and release a shower of arrows.<br />That might be a suitable tactic for mounted crossbowmen. Form a line, shot during slow movement from a close distance and run away on horseback as soon as the infantry chases after you. Infantry chasing after a mounted crossbowman is out of formation and vulnerable to charging mounted lancers. A charge of lancers has decreasing efficiency of follow on ranks. Arming them with powerful ranged weapons might increase their effectiveness.<br />The mounted use of the powerful crossbow might be useful against light armoured riders. From the crusades we know of charges to chase away lightly armoured mounted archers. How much more effective would a mounted crossbowman be than a mounted lancer?<br />Another issue striking me is 2 mounted crossbowmen per lancer in the introduction image. That's almost a mounted crossbowmen force with additional lancers, not the other way round. So did we have proto-"reiters" with crossbows in the Late Middle Ages? The Fechtbücher show them as equals of the lancers. Were the mounted crossbowmen the norm and the lancer a specialist for specific tasks to support the mounted crossbowmen?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8933647311941754950.post-81709558193176365492013-03-16T11:47:26.033-07:002013-03-16T11:47:26.033-07:00Thank-you for this. I am very impressed with your...Thank-you for this. I am very impressed with your research. Keep up the good work <br />Mick Farnworth (Mick in Switzerland)Mick in Switzerlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13030916962999538242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8933647311941754950.post-26989128390856991342013-03-01T14:31:54.542-08:002013-03-01T14:31:54.542-08:00Thanks for all the feedback; it's reassuring t...Thanks for all the feedback; it's reassuring to hear from you that I don't seem to be too far from a possible logical interpretation from viewing the contemporary illustrations.<br />'Resumption of normal service' next - painted model figures. :)<br />Simon.<br />paintermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07649916816073878873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8933647311941754950.post-68311325077417056022013-02-25T11:34:07.868-08:002013-02-25T11:34:07.868-08:00Great discussion, I love looking at the original i...Great discussion, I love looking at the original illustrations. Some of the Talhoffer moves get pretty "action movie" in his fight book, I like the one of the backwards crossbow shot though. For the very end of the period there are also Paul Dolnsteins sketches, another artist who was also a soldier, he shows an armoured crossbowman firing from the saddle, I think its from around 1500?<br /><br />http://s277.beta.photobucket.com/user/Dstaberg/media/Dolnstein/Dolnstein_Light_horse2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=14<br /><br />It is so hard to know how they fought, but they must have been useful as it does seem most armies were employing them. I take it you are going to use the Perry Italian figures for these?<br /><br />OliOlihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06796318659076787601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8933647311941754950.post-65063048324508364812013-02-24T09:24:24.788-08:002013-02-24T09:24:24.788-08:00Here is an example - for those who read french - o...Here is an example - for those who read french - of an arbalétrier (actually an "archer" of a french company of ordonnace with a crossbow) from the "Chroniques de Louis XII" (so taking place in Italy) : un « archer de la compagnie du seigneur de Saint-Prest, avec une arbalète bandée, pour plus droit assener quelqu’un de ces Allemands, lâcha la rêne de la bride de son cheval, et là, hasarda tant sa vie, sous l’assurance de la conduite de celui-ci, qu’entre ses ennemis soudainement l’emmena, lequel à coups de hallebardes fut sur le champ assommé ». This example doesn't imply that firing on horseback was an habit. During the wars of Italy, french archers fight rather on horseback with demi-lance and there are other examples of such practice during Louis XI wars (ie, archers fighting like coustilliers rather than dismounting to fire with longbow or crossbow). I didn't find any example of mounted crossbowmen fighting in close relation with men-at-arms, as it will be usual at the end of XVI century - mounted arquebusiers replacing arbalétriers).Timurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17211642409766913851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8933647311941754950.post-13154303854756532942013-02-23T13:08:53.907-08:002013-02-23T13:08:53.907-08:00Very interesting post Simon !
For my Kalmar Union...Very interesting post Simon !<br /><br />For my Kalmar Union War (late 15th cantery Sweden) point of view, it is accepted by Swedish historians that "Knektar" mounted crossbowmen fought in "close order" either by them selfs but often intermixed with "Svenner" Squires/ Light chock cavalry and or with the "Frälse" i.e Knights. Probably as 2nd/3rd rank to give more momentum to the charge of the cavalry. They was also used as scouts but as far as I could tell newer fought as Skirmish Mounted Crossbow, always recorded as fighting in close formation. I suppouse the support role was due to the lack of knights/chock cavalry here in Sweden and they used what ever cavalry they had available to beef ut the Chock cavalry...<br /><br />I think it will look realy good if you mix some crossbow men in the units, will be nice to see the stat line for them on the gaming table;)<br /><br />Best regards Michael<br /><br />Dalaupprorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05292614404943521842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8933647311941754950.post-12694954782874633392013-02-23T02:01:18.143-08:002013-02-23T02:01:18.143-08:00I've been saying pretty much the same thing, t...I've been saying pretty much the same thing, to anyone who'll listen, for a while now. People are very much in the 18-19th Century mindset of specifically named troop types for fixed and specified roles. <br /><br />Medieval soldiers were very flexible and 'jack of all trades'; they performed whatever roles were required of them. When specialised 'experts' appeared, like the Stradiots, they were eagerly incorporated.<br /><br />There is no reason to suppose that mounted archers/crossbowmen didn't perform the same 'light cavalry' roles as the coustilier are assumed to have done. How well they did this is another matter, but no worse than mostly anyone else's did on the whole. <br /><br />Certainly by the 16th Century, the French 'Archer' cavalry had dropped any pretence at being just 'mounted infantry' and were operating, as you say, in support of the Gendarmes. This may of course have been a long standing practice. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8933647311941754950.post-80409089427613839272013-02-23T00:51:20.309-08:002013-02-23T00:51:20.309-08:00It seems possible, and the number of times they ap...It seems possible, and the number of times they appear in drawings seems to me they might have performed as you say.Maxamillianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15914768350821676608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8933647311941754950.post-78763914299676547872013-02-22T20:54:31.064-08:002013-02-22T20:54:31.064-08:00Well spotted. Interesting hypothesis. Perhaps infl...Well spotted. Interesting hypothesis. Perhaps influenced by Byzantine Thematic cavalry with the mix of lancers and horse archers?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14996350912869829140noreply@blogger.com